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PostSubject: Team Attack Counter   2013-06-04, 09:01

INFO:

Currently there is a new approach under test so that this info here is not up to date at the moment. See here for more info until this post is updated: http://alserv2000.forumclan.com/t112p15-team-attack-counter#1188



The following text is partly deprecated as noted above!


Some facts about the Team Attack Counter.

This plugins is a modified Team Kill Manager plugin (TK Manager).
It collects Team Attack (TA) and Team Kill (TK) points and stores them in a database.

Team wounds (sourcemod event: player_hurt) will increase the TA counter.
Team kills (sourcemod event: player_death) will increase the TK counter.

Fire, pipe etc does not count for player_hurt (TA points) but for player_death (TK points).


Team Attack (TA)

Attacking your team will increase your TA points.
You will see messages like this in the chat:

Code:
Your Team Attack counter is increased: 3 of 12
Your Team Attack counter is increased: 4 of 12
Reaching 12 TA points you will be punished (banned for 1 hour).
The TA points will be reduced to 8 when you get banned.

Only helping team members will reduce the TA counter e.g.:

  • protect (kill zombie who is attacking one of your team members)
  • heal (use medi kit on team member, but only if he is wounded badly)
  • revive (help team member stand up)
  • defib (only on Left 4 Dead 2)


Team Kill (TK)

Killing a team member will increase your TK points.
You will see messages like this in the chat:

Code:
[TK Manager] You have gained 1 TK point (Total: 2, Limit: 4)
[TK Manager] alBert2000 team killed Coach
Reaching 4 TK points you will be punished (banned for 30 minutes)

This TK counter cannot be reduced.
It will be reset to 0 when you get banned.


Database

The points are stored in a database so that all alServ2000 servers are using the same TA and TK points.
Your points are restored when you connect again.
So when you had 3 TK points recorded in the database, 1 new team kill (TK) is enough to trigger the 30 min ban.

Furthmore the Team Attack counter plugin has direct friendly fire punishment.
The same amount of damage inflicted to the victim will be done to the attacker.


Client command

I have added a command to display your current counter values stored in the plugin:

Code:
sm_tkm_points


If you got banned, check SourceBans


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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-29, 08:06

Want to push the topic.
Seems there is some misunderstanding about the team attack counter.
The real kills are never reset, only when you get the 30 min ban.
So when you join you could already have 3 kills from anytime before.
And the next real kill will ban you then.
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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-29, 08:36

alBert2000 wrote:
Want to push the topic.
Seems there is some misunderstanding about the team attack counter.
The real kills are never reset,  only when you get the 30 min ban.
So when you join you could already have 3 kills from anytime before.
And the next real kill will ban you then.
The counter 0/12 will ban you 30 mins or 60 mins? I never reached 12 so I don´t know how long ban is.

Real kills? like when you shot someone accidently but he was B/W and die? that´s a real kill?

I saw time ago a player killing 3 times in same map, because molotov, he was not banned, Thats kind of kills are Real kills?.

I had counter 0/12 and I was banned when I hit Xeno with melee.

Sometimes you kill someone and an info message appear, "X killed Y" That is not a real kill? and sometimes when you kill someone appear "you have 1 TK bla bla bla".

I never understood the difference between both kills, in both cases, you have killed someone.

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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-29, 09:53

Killogy wrote:
1.I had counter 0/12 and I was banned when I hit Xeno with melee.
2.Real kills? like when you shot someone accidently but he was B/W and die? that´s a real kill?
3.I saw time ago a player killing 3 times in same map, because molotov, he was not banned, Thats kind of kills are Real kills?.
4.Sometimes you kill someone and an info message appear, "X killed Y" 5.That is not a real kill? and sometimes when you kill someone appear "you have 1 TK bla bla bla".
Same questions here! ^^

Also "[TK Manager] Excessive Team Killing" is reffering to real kills or TK points? Maybe both?

e.g. i remember playing Cold Stream 2 months ago i think, on co-op servers on expert and i shot a teammate (he was incapacitated and i was trying to protect him Laughing )..i don't know if i killed him but i was banned for an hour i think with one single shot and a TK 1 or 2

Have 2 other 30 min bans (i even remember my victims names, hahaha! So ashamed! Embarassed ):
First one (Cold Stream, expert again lol!), I incapacitated a teammate who passed in front on me while shooting a charging Charger with auto-shotgun...TK=12 in half a second Laughing 
Second, Realism, Crash Course, Advanced, wanted to use pills but chose molotov by mistake during panic event (i'm so clumsy sometimes!!! Laughing ) and i incapacitated a teammate and a bot
Same reason for all 3 bans "[TK Manager] Excessive Team Killing"
I coud also include my ban at Versus, when i was a Tank and doing my job against the survivors without specials or commons nearby, for the same reason (although i know that it's a testing server and TK was disabled there)
So i guess "[TK Manager] Excessive Team Killing" it's a general reason which reffering to all kind of bans?
p.s. (sorry for the chatter Laughing Very Happy )

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PostSubject: Is it wrong to kill trollers? (the ones who mess on the door)   2013-10-29, 13:32

So like this happened a few times while I was playing.
On one particular campaign in Dead Air on chapter 1 (among countless others) when nearly all players were in the saferoom, leaving me, Magic and another player I rescued from a closet. I forgot what his or her name was.

Then some

thought it would be fun to mess with the door while someone(meaning me) was on infront of the door with a freaking mob attacking them(again me) and ultimately killing them(I died lol).
We keep telling them not to mess with the door but they won't stop.
After the second time they did this that I even threw a molotov at the door which resulted in me getting kicked out because I killed some near the door. I felt really bad for five minutes then I ate a bowl of ice-cream and some bananas then just went on with my night.

I don't know who the

was because there were what 10 people on the server, but this happen more than once. I remember dying twice with the same after playing on another campaign and also someone else died this way to.

How do you handle with this particular problem?
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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-29, 17:47

Killogy wrote:

The counter 0/12 will ban you 30 mins or 60 mins? I never reached 12 so I don´t know how long ban is.
1h for the 12 points.
Killogy wrote:


Real kills? like when you shot someone accidently but he was B/W and die? that´s a real kill?
Yes, this is when you trigger the sourcemod player_death event.
Killogy wrote:


I saw time ago a player killing 3 times in same map, because molotov, he was not banned, Thats kind of kills are Real kills?.
If his kill count (4 kills till ban) was zero before this is possible.
Killogy wrote:


I had counter 0/12 and I was banned when I hit Xeno with melee.
This ban was 30 mins? So you had cumulated 3 other kills before e.g. on some other days or other servers.
Killogy wrote:


Sometimes you kill someone and an info message appear, "X killed Y" That is not a real kill?
This is that some other made a team kill. It is announced in the chat for all.
Killogy wrote:

and sometimes when you kill someone appear "you have 1 TK bla bla bla".
This is your real kill counter.
Killogy wrote:


I never understood the difference between both kills, in both cases, you have killed someone.

see ya

I hope this helps a little^^
I have also added some further info to the first post in this topic.
And I will answer other questions soon but not today^^
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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-29, 17:57

Yes!!! now I understand how works teamkill plugin ^^. I never be banned 60 min, only 30 mins.

Thank you very much for the explanation on each of the points, has been very enlightening What a Face 

See ya.

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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-29, 19:01

Albert, I have a doubt about it.

In the ban about 30 minutes, when you kill a number of players, I think that you have banned in 30 minutes when you kills 2 players. When some days I was banned about it and the ban expired, then I was playing and I killed accidentaly a player with the autoshotgun because he was black and white and he has got 1 hp, and other time, I killed a player that too was black and white and has got 1 hp but this time I killed him with the pipe bomb and after of it, I have been banned in 30 minutes and I think that the console bans when you killed 2 players.
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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-29, 19:21

Test it by yourself and tell me the results.
Take an empty server.
Slap a bot till he has only very few health.
Then incap and kill him.
Watch that your hurt counter does not go to 12.
You can unban yourself for testing.
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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-29, 21:36

GMagic96 wrote:


I think that you have banned in 30 minutes when you kills 2 players
I have never seen "you have 3 TK bla bla bla" but I saw "you have 2 TK bla bla bla" so at least I never be banned with 2 TK.

I think, server forgets about previous TK. For example: Yesterday you killed 2 players and then you see "you have 2 TK", today you killed 1 player, but server inform you about "You have 1 TK", but you already had 2 so it should have reported about your previous TK, so 3 total Kills.

As I said before, I have never seen "You have 3 TK bla bla bla", or I can´t remember it, or maybe that day I killed 2 players at same time Laughing  so 2 + 2 = 4, but I don´t think so.

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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-29, 23:55

Ok Albert, I will test it but I will do 2 tests because I don't remember if I was killed a teammate before.

Well, first, about the ban of 1 hour of 12 TK, is hard that a player arrives at 12 TK if he helps at his teammates. You can increase a lot of your TK points playing expert and shoot accidentaly at a teammate with the shotgun that is near of you, you can increase about 10 TK. Too you can arrive at 12 TK is you hurt a lot at a teammate with the minigun.

The other ban of 30 min, I don't know which is the amount of teammates that you need to kill for have this ban. I think that is 2 teammates. Other thing is that if you kill a teammate, increase 1 TK.

Killogy, I think that TK and kill teammates aren't the same.

- TK points is a counter of damage that you do at your teammates and when it arrives at 12 TK, the console bans you on 1 hour.

- Kill teammates is too a counter that the console records 1 death of a teammate that you killed him and when it arrives at a limit, the console bans you on 30 minutes and the console deletes your record and you start from 0 kills.


Other thing, is that the console always records the TK that you have got. For example, a day, I left of a server and I had got 3 TK. The next day when I connected to a server and I revived at a teammate and the console said me that I have got 2 TK points, therefore, before I had got 3 TK and therefore the console records my TK.

When you killed a teammate the console says you it, I don't remember exactly. I give you an example that I have got 0 TK and I kill a teammate:


GMagic96 killed Louis
GMagic96 gained 1 TK
You have got 1 of 12 TK


How I said before, the TK and the killing of teammates aren't the same, are two counters that the console records to a player.

I will do this test about killing teammates and I will tell you the results.


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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-30, 00:14

Bass-Ment™ wrote:

Also "[TK Manager] Excessive Team Killing" is reffering to real kills or TK points? Maybe both?
The text is the same but the ban length of 30m (real kills) or 1h (TK Points) shows the difference. Like I said I have just modified another plugin (link in first post) and this plugin had this text in its translation file (en and russian text phrases). And I didnt modify these texts.
Bass-Ment™ wrote:

e.g. i remember playing Cold Stream 2 months ago i think, on co-op servers on expert and i shot a teammate (he was incapacitated and i was trying to protect him Laughing )..i don't know if i killed him but i was banned for an hour i think with one single shot and a TK 1 or 2
Yes, expert difficulty and shotgun makes the counter grow quickly^^
Bass-Ment™ wrote:

I coud also include my ban at Versus, when i was a Tank and doing my job against the survivors without specials or commons nearby, for the same reason (although i know that it's a testing server and TK was disabled there)
Yeah, testing and no TK Manager anymore on versus for the moment.
Bass-Ment™ wrote:

So i guess "[TK Manager] Excessive Team Killing" it's a general reason which reffering to all kind of bans?
Yes.
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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-30, 00:32

Ok, I tested it and how said Albert, it is correct.

The first test I have been banned when I killed the third teammate because I killed 1 teammate before.

The second test I have been banned when I killed the fourth teammate.


When I kill a teammate the console says it:

[TK Manager] You have gained 1 TK point (Total: 4, Limit: 12)
[TK Manager] GMagic96 team killed Ellis
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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-30, 05:59

When I´m saying 1 TK point, I´m talking about kill teammates, ban 30mins, not about counter 0/12 that you can reduce helping at others.

[TK Manager] You have gained 1 TK point (Total: 4, Limit: 12)

"Hurt counter" is displayed in parentheses, so if 12 is reached you will be banned 1 hour. But console does not specify total TK points/real kills/30mins ban, you has accumulated.

I tested it today, always I see You have gained 1 TK point everytime you kill someone, so fourth kill = banned 30 mins.

For example: your TK counter is reseted, then you started from 0 so you can do 4 kills before being banned 30 mins.

Console does not display total gained TK points, everytime you killed someone, console says.

You have gained 1 TK point

But console does not specify how many in total have accumulated

So if you killed someone a second time, console says

You have gained 1 TK point

But you have gained 2 TK points now, but console has not specified, so you don´t know how many TK you has got acumulated  since last time TK counter was reset.

So in my opinion, if you have the counter reset 0 and you killed a second time, console it should say:

You have gained 1 TK point / you have got 2 TK points acummulated or something similar, so you will know that next time you kill 2 times again, you will be banned 30 mins and your counter reseted.

I tested it, never seen "this is your 2nd or 3th acummulated TK points" or You have gained 2 or 3 TK point or something similar information. always says You have gained 1 TK point regardless of whether you've made ​​1-2 or 3.

I say too, Hurt counter/12 is not reset when you leave the game and then reconected, at least not when you come from a ban.

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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-10-31, 15:40

I have adjusted the chat messages displayed by the plugin.
And I rewrote the first post in the topic.
I think it should be even more clear now.
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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2013-12-21, 11:11

I have added a command to display your current counter values stored in the plugin:

Code:
sm_tkm_points

I have also added this command to the first post in this topic.
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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2014-03-06, 20:44

It seems that currently only our regular players are hit by the 30 min real kill ban most often.
I think this is not fair. This counter cannot be reduced.
So I have decided to try another approach.
When you take care a little, you won't get banned anymore.

This is what I have changed:

There is no real kill counter active anymore.
Total TA points are reduced to 10 now.
The punishment is reduced to 15 minutes.
If you team kill someone, you will gain 6 TK points at once now.
You can decrease the counter as before by helping your team mates.
So if you take care that your counter is always 0, killing a team mate by accident gets you 6 points.
Then with a little care and helping others, your counter will get back to 0 soon.
So no hidden real kill counter will hit you anymore.
Tell me what you think about that new approach.
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PostSubject: Re: Team Attack Counter   2014-03-06, 21:02

alBert2000 wrote:
It seems that currently only our regular players are hit by the 30 min real kill ban most often.
I think this is not fair. This counter cannot be reduced.
So I have decided to try another approach.
When you take care a little, you won't get banned anymore.

This is what I have changed:

There is no real kill counter active anymore.
Total TA points are reduced to 10 now.
The punishment is reduced to 15 minutes.
If you team kill someone, you will gain 6 TK points at once now.
You can decrease the counter as before by helping your team mates.
So if you take care that your counter is always 0, killing a team mate by accident gets you 6 points.
Then with a little care and helping others, your counter will get back to 0 soon.
So no hidden real kill counter will hit you anymore.
Tell me what you think about that new approach.

I agree with Your RiGHt DECISION ^^
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